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Ghost Recon · Aug 16, 2007, 05:37 AM // 05:37

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Originally Posted by neoflame

I think average human reaction time is faster than 300ms, never mind good FPS players.

The average human reaction time is 0.16s and a pro gamer should be a the very least half of that.

Pwny Ride · Aug 16, 2007, 05:47 AM // 05:47

Everything that ghost recon said is true. I used to be horrid at monking in PvP, absolutely horrid. I already had a mesmer but wasnt too crash hot at interrupting, so ive been practicing and my ability at monking (i.e. being aware of surroundings moreso) has gone up. The same goes with Elementalist and Necromancer.

Of course i play mesmer more often now, every time i interrupt a skill, the sound brings music to my ears, and with each interrupt im getting better.

Fluke interrupts also have their use. Sometimes when playing a interrupt i use my 'intuition' and read the player's movements~

a) Because there is a breif animation before any spells that the enemy casts
b) The enemy will stop in order to cast something
c) The enemy's action patterns and predictability. For example~ If a monk was poisioned, they would be sure to remove the conditon, or if a monk is underdirect fire, they must heal to protect themselves, it can make it extremely easy to interrupt.

So personally, i doubt anyone would bother using any auto-interrupt programs, because they're chreap, and you wouldnt get the same satisfaction out of it as interrupting them yourself (which actually takes skill).

I've been the target of accusations like 'Omfg u r using interrupt bot noob', and i admit it is a laugh, but at the same time it's insulting. On the upper hand, if they yell at me, i know i'm doing my job.

Age · Aug 16, 2007, 05:58 AM // 05:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by neoflame

I think average human reaction time is faster than 300ms, never mind good FPS players.

That all depends if they got a cold one on the side.Bots in PvP interesting or programs.Most ppl switch targets though.

YunSooJin · Aug 16, 2007, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Rainywinter

Interrupter Bots do exists. One of my friends showed me how it works, and now I really want to get a virus into his comp. Basically - those programs work simple. They identify spell casting, which is nothing in ms in compared to human brain, and simply activate the skill. Lag is probably the one and only factor. In anyway, if you randomly casted a 3\4 spell and got interrupted- unfortunately human's reaction time is not good enough - even for the most skillful player - to counter it. 3\4 spell is 750 ms. 1\4 interrupting spell is 250 ms. ping is 100 ms to receive your spell action and another 100 ms to send the interrupting spell back to the server. It means that the interrupter would have to understand you're casting a spell, realize its a spell, send an action to the fingers, click the button - all that will have to happen in 750 ms - 250 ms - 100 ms - 100 ms = 300 ms which is 0.3. The human brain is just not capable of that. Interrupter bots are usually good for up to 2\4 ms spells I suppose since they can do a counter in 200 ms (0.2 sec) + 250 ms interrupt spell (450 ms togther)

you sir, would be wrong.

plenty of pvp'ers who play mesmer and ranger in gvg are capable of 3/4sec cast interrupts. =P

Ghost Recon · Aug 16, 2007, 07:45 AM // 07:45

3/4 second casts aren't hard to interupt, people can get 1/4 casts with a lot of practice and paying close attension to the monk.

Riot Narita · Aug 16, 2007, 07:51 AM // 07:51

Are you sure you weren't Dazed, or hexed with Migraine, or something?

Ghost Recon · Aug 16, 2007, 07:59 AM // 07:59

Just watch a monk in observer, obviously there is a degree of luck involved but monks more so prot tend to cast spell close together prot spirit -> rof if a monk continues to cast rof strait after, you can get it easy with an interrupt with practice. Also some monks tend to stop kiting for split second before they cast you have a small chance of getting an interrupt there.

Yanman.be · Aug 16, 2007, 08:00 AM // 08:00

I can interrupt consistently 3/4 sec casts with a 1/4 sec cast interrupt under FC. The problem is to distinguish the INTERRUPT ME vs DO NOT WASTE ENERGY ON ME skills.

around · Aug 16, 2007, 08:49 AM // 08:49

Although with some interrupts it doesn't matter as much what you hit as the secondary effect makes it worthwhile.

I'm looking at you Power Leak.

*lemming* · Aug 16, 2007, 08:52 AM // 08:52

Good mesmers have both excellent anticipatory skills and reflexes.

Curse You · Aug 16, 2007, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

So personally, i doubt anyone would bother using any auto-interrupt programs, because they're chreap, and you wouldnt get the same satisfaction out of it as interrupting them yourself (which actually takes skill).

If you were right, no one would buy gold. But they do, because they don't play for the fun, they play because they want to be "uber 1337" and the only way they can do that is by cheating.

Ghost Recon · Aug 16, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by Curse You

If you were right, no one would buy gold. But they do, because they don't play for the fun, they play because they want to be "uber 1337" and the only way they can do that is by cheating.

That's PvE though in PvP using a bot to help interrupt would be a big taboo similar to the fact that people who never used IWAY still hate players who did IWAY even though that was ages ago.

Charlotte the Harlot · Aug 16, 2007, 09:44 AM // 09:44

3/4 second casts are possible to do on reaction with a mes its easy, its tough on a ranger considering you have to be able to tell what the spell is and hit your skill in under 1/4 of a second but I can still do it if I'm close enough. However on 3/4s sometimes and almost all 1/4 second interrupts they are predicted. Watching the field is as important on a ranger as it is a monk because that way you can tell that when your wars start to train the monk SoDs and you can interupt it. Another common one is right as a monk is getting up from a kd they cast a spell and you can use that to your advantage. Another predicted interrupt is if a caster is running right at you (or ranger with bow of same distance) and you D shot you will get anything down to 3/4 casts. So ya bot programs probably exist but are pointless because a human can predict better and prediction is equally if not more so important than pure reactions.

Alex Silverfox · Aug 16, 2007, 09:44 AM // 09:44

Ok then they do exist. Ofc they may be a taboo but I think right now they are spreading. I know top players are not affected, they are good because of the lot of practice and experience they have and moreover I dont think they will risk to be banned. But the mesmer I met were neither in top guilds nor I consider them good players because interrupting random skills of the same or above casting time without thinking of wich should be interrupted it's not.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Recon

The average human reaction time is 0.16s and a pro gamer should be a the very least half of that.

My reaction is 0.25-0.26 as an average of tests I did:
http://www.qacps.k12.md.us/cms/sci/human/HBLAB4.HTM
click above and follow the links, there are even funnier reaction test games out there. Check yours. I don't think 0.16 or even 0.08 sec reaction should be possible on interrupts because should be a conditional reaction.
I explain the two process between a simple reaction and a conditional reaction:

Simple:
eyes->interpretation of change->reaction signal
Conditional reaction:
eyes-> interpretation of change->memory activation->judgement->reaction signal

The conditional reaction is faster as you keep practicing and your memory and judgement become faster because of different factors.

Random answering: I had no daze, I RANDOMIZED cast of skills so that usual mesmer tips shouldnt work (I'm in the pvp scene from a bit now), I had no Shame and from the answers I got I don't feel paranoid.

Rainywinter · Aug 16, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

I didn't check human's reaction time, so I could be wrong on that part. 0.16 is pretty damn fast. Are you sure?

joze · Aug 16, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

It's not impossible to interrupt 3/4 second spells - neither 1/4 spells.
Good mesmers do not watch the skill bar - they watch the target. If the mesmer sees you're going into the oh-so-well-known-casting stance for monks, he's just going to interrupt you.

Avarre · Aug 16, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by Rainywinter

Interrupter Bots do exists. One of my friends showed me how it works, and now I really want to get a virus into his comp. Basically - those programs work simple. They identify spell casting, which is nothing in ms in compared to human brain, and simply activate the skill. Lag is probably the one and only factor. In anyway, if you randomly casted a 3\4 spell and got interrupted- unfortunately human's reaction time is not good enough - even for the most skillful player - to counter it. 3\4 spell is 750 ms. 1\4 interrupting spell is 250 ms. ping is 100 ms to receive your spell action and another 100 ms to send the interrupting spell back to the server. It means that the interrupter would have to understand you're casting a spell, realize its a spell, send an action to the fingers, click the button - all that will have to happen in 750 ms - 250 ms - 100 ms - 100 ms = 300 ms which is 0.3. The human brain is just not capable of that. Interrupter bots are usually good for up to 2\4 ms spells I suppose since they can do a counter in 200 ms (0.2 sec) + 250 ms interrupt spell (450 ms togther)

I've caught 3/4s spells by twitch reflex on 200-300ms ping.

As many have said, prediction and anticipation play a huge part in interrupting successfully.

Deleet · Aug 16, 2007, 02:25 PM // 14:25

Human reaction times.
http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/...time/stats.php

You can test reaction times here:
http://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/index.php

I scored an average of 238.

Fire Childe · Aug 16, 2007, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I've caught 3/4s spells by twitch reflex on 200-300ms ping.

As many have said, prediction and anticipation play a huge part in interrupting successfully.

The point is that you can catch 3/4 and 1/4 second casts - just not consistantly like Norgu can.

Sometimes however it is very much possible to preempt a cast and get a couple hundred milliseconds head start or preempt a time frame where alot of casts will occur (the moments following a caster/adrenal spike).

For instance, it is sometimes possible to catch 1/4 sec healing casts and even an infuse during or after a spike. Usually after an adrenal spike or caster spike, that target becomes ineligible for a second spike for some time afterwards - mainly because the enemy monks will almost certainly have that guy selected as their target and they will be bombarding it with dmg mitigation and quick cast healing to offset the damage from the spike. In those cases, your chances of getting an interrupt against a quick cast are greatly increased. Not because your reaction time is especially brilliant but because you know theres a short window where alot of spells are going to be cast and you have a good chance of catching at least one of them.

My reaction time is not really that good, and nobody has a reaction time that can consistantly beat 1/4 of a second out of the blue. But in certain conditions you can make a fair bet that you know what casts are coming and thats the time to strike.

Retribution X · Aug 16, 2007, 03:30 PM // 15:30

my shortest reaction time, (Minus Ping) was around .127

Which equated out, is possible to beat.

but I am MUCH faster with my keyboard then my mouse. It's not that hard to interrupt 3/4 second cast skills.